Maybe Demi Moore’s 12th house relates to her quote: “I had an essence in my life that I was nothing.” Emptiness as a wound?
I’m not going to attempt to address the issue of a Jupiter-Chiron conjunction. I haven’t had time to look at her chart. However, she and I share the 12th house Chiron position, and I’ll refer to that as my reason for this post. I trust Owly’s reference to Zane is a point to Zane Stein who certainly does have foundations with Chiron that I don’t have. I don’t pay as close attention to Chiron as I do to the foundations of the chart since I believe one cannot know what else is going on if one doesn’t start there with a fervor that reflects the effort to gain knowledge. Anyway, I’m digressing…
Breaking down the commentary he makes:
“…one of the most frequently experienced traits of this position is a tendency to not receive credit for things they have done, but at the same time they lack concern when this happens…”
I don’t always lack concern when this happens. I also rarely have not received credit for what I’ve done. Quite the contrary, what I don’t need is The Gush, the effort of others to gush profusely in awe over whatever I’ve achieved. I’m grateful for the honor received when it’s given. People usually do so without one’s need to whine for it.
“…intellectual arrogance: “…they enjoy the role of dissenter…”
LOL! That’s definitely rich! If dissent is based on not agreeing with the interpretation, then perhaps I’m a dissenter. I don’t think so. In fact, I tend to avoid conflict where I can and would not usually be inclined to dissent especially over things that are unimportant. Where I do dissent lies in my horror in seeing incorrect information being disseminated. Intellectual arrogance? No, although I’ve been falsely accused of same. I think it’s more as a result of my not realizing that I might sometimes unintentionally speak over people’s heads with terminology that is inappropriate for that particular audience. When I realize it, I make a concerted effort to adjust what it is I’m trying to explain.
The wounds of Chiron are always self-inflicted in the sense that we are indeed wounding ourselves in order to heal. Inability to focus on self from “all the psychicness, creativity and insight of the 12th house of subconsciousness and secrets?” Ummm…please forgive me. No matter how I say this, I fear it can end up coming out with all the things the post accuses a 12th house Chiron native of being, and I’ll beg understanding of why the stereotype doesn’t fit—despite the initial appearances:
One of the things that I learned about a 12th house Chiron has fit me so perfectly, I have to believe the same is true of all other 12th house Chiron natives, that we aren’t inclined to see a therapist for what ails us, so to speak. We tend to find more benefit in helping others and invariably ending up being able to help ourselves in working through the whole process of the wounds and healing. If anything, my own life experiences have usually enabled me to assist others and, in the process, it helps me to work through these things. From this perspective, I suppose it’s an intellectual avenue, but it’s easier to move to the cognitive process, to intellectualize the pain so one can observe from a more distant vantage point. If the emotions are too close to the wound, nothing will happen: It becomes a matter of continuing to bleed, reopen the wound, begin to heal and then move to the vicious cycle that can become a nightmare again and again and again, something along the lines of a personal Twilight Zone. By pulling it to the intellectualized process, one can remove oneself and look at the facts—either the individual one is helping, or even Self as the individual being helped, but always, always in distant, less emotional positioning so the help is actually achieved. That’s why the process of helping others is the key to healing the wounds.
I realize people might not get this point if they don’t have a 12th house Chiron, but it’s critical to understand in seeing what happens at this level. (On a sidenote, perhaps Demi Moore’s Jupiter-Chiron conjunction would simply expand on such things. It seems as if she carried it to a fault if one considers the events of her life.)
Hope I’ve helped to accomplish a bit more understanding here with that in mind.
Zane writes how this placement of Chiron can give moodiness, and how “one of the most frequently experienced traits of this position is a tendency to not receive credit for things they have done, but at the same time they lack concern when this happens.” He calls it also intellectual arrogance: “….they enjoy the role of dissenter.” Maybe it’s just hard to live with all of that full time. So we come back to the nature of the 12th: the wound is possibly self-inflicted, out of inability to focus on the self from all the psychic-ness, creativity and insight of the 12tgh house of subconsciousness and secrets.